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Post by Steelers 1954 on Sept 19, 2020 10:47:50 GMT -5
The core group of members have been together for 10 + years, some have left and returned others left an never returned that being said here's a few things need to be said..
Post from the league page "this league belongs to all OG's". Wrong this league belongs to the 10 members we have currently.
When I told Mike (13th Ronin) about an open spot in the league I told him the how the score settings were. I sent him an invite and told him to make sure he checked out the score settings which he did so Mike was well aware of what they were. What he didn't expect was 2 teams having a total of 18 RB's. The trade offers he sent out was a starting point to see if he would get any counter offers which he did not.
Mike is not new to fantasy football he has played for 10 + yrs. so he knows what he's doing.
Things kinda got off to a bad start between a couple of the team managers.
I said to stop the name calling and to let it rest. Mike realized it was wrong for what said and could have used a better choice of words but it appears someone doesn't want to let it go..
Can we please just move forward and try to all get along from here on out.
Did anyone notice what was wrong with that trade between DirtyBirds & 54Eskimos ?
Out of all the teams ADB could have traded with he went after the person who had the least. 54Eskimos now has 4 RB's that all have week #6 as a bye week. I did offer Bob some advice and told him he could drop 1 of his kickers and to pickup a RB that I knew didn't have week #6 as a bye so that he'd have some depth. If I didn't know any better I'd say that trade was made as a slap in the face to Mike.
I know it's a team managers right to reject or accept any trade but if rejected it would be a nice jester to at least explain why it was rejected or even send a counter offer.
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Post by 13thronin on Sept 19, 2020 10:57:34 GMT -5
As I had sad before. Dickhead wasn't a correct word to use, but I stand by it. This whole OG stuff, if a thing. Why bring in anyone new? I joined this league for fun/meet new people. Now I feel I have a target on back. The trade with Bob is something that shouldn't be allowed. Period. You guys are sitting back and letting one guy crew another beyond repair. Also you don't call a grown man a bitch and expect me to lay over, wag my tail. That WILL not happen.
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Post by 13thronin on Sept 19, 2020 11:13:42 GMT -5
Ok one thing I didn't say. A RB limit prevents teams like bob from being screwed. 9,8,7 all too many. I've spoken to people I play with in other league's. They all agree you just don't need more then 6. That keeps things open for EVERYONE, not the few, but the many. Also I'm in 10 leagues (5 fun, 5 $) so yes I read the settings Bev.
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Post by craig440 on Sept 19, 2020 12:20:39 GMT -5
I don't see whats wrong with Chris Carson for Johnithan Taylor trade. Other than putting Bob in trouble in game six. However he had two defenses and two kickers so in the next five weeks he could easily pick up guys who will be hot on the WW or make another trade. He did score the third highest score last week.
Welcome Mike.
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Post by 13thronin on Sept 19, 2020 12:30:06 GMT -5
The guy must not have understood. Also That's just one week. That won't happen constantly. He shouldnt have to go to a WW on week 6. Because nothing will be there. Let's call a spade a spade. If there is he won't have a chance.
Thanks Craig!
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Post by 13thronin on Sept 19, 2020 12:32:07 GMT -5
I don't see whats wrong with Chris Carson for Johnithan Taylor trade. Other than putting Bob in trouble in game six. However he had two defenses and two kickers so in the next five weeks he could easily pick up guys who will be hot on the WW or make another trade. He did score the third highest score last week. Welcome Mike. So you don't see a problem that his only back system is now tossed in the air because of a trade. Looks to me is man knew what he was doing, pure and simple.
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Post by 13thronin on Sept 19, 2020 12:33:01 GMT -5
I don't see whats wrong with Chris Carson for Johnithan Taylor trade. Other than putting Bob in trouble in game six. However he had two defenses and two kickers so in the next five weeks he could easily pick up guys who will be hot on the WW or make another trade. He did score the third highest score last week. Welcome Mike. So you don't see a problem that his only back system is now tossed in the air because of a trade. Looks to me is man knew what he was doing, pure and simple. One man knew*
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Post by bob554 on Sept 19, 2020 15:41:25 GMT -5
Wow,no one told me that there was a problem with my trade. Maybe people should have informed me that it pissed people off. Im fairly new at this game but with this bullshit of name calling (which I was not a part of)happens ùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùi dont think I will encourage anyone else ever to join.
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Post by craig440 on Sept 19, 2020 15:50:14 GMT -5
Wow,no one told me that there was a problem with my trade. Maybe people should have informed me that it pissed people off. Im fairly new at this game but with this bullshit of name calling (which I was not a part of)happens ùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùi dont think I will encourage anyone else ever to join. There is no problem with your trade in my eyes. And the name calling has not happened before. This is a great league and we will get over this little snafu. Mike and you are new to the league and we appreciate you being here. We all will become family. ADB is a good guy and just needs a spanking. haha. Lets play and have fun. Now my concern is Eddie. Haven't heard from him and he has two players that are out. Hope he is okay because he is always active. The discussion on setting limits on positions is a legit one that needs to be addressed during the off season. Keeper leagues are really cool.
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Post by Steelers 1954 on Sept 19, 2020 15:52:43 GMT -5
Wow,no one told me that there was a problem with my trade. Maybe people should have informed me that it pissed people off. Im fairly new at this game but with this bullshit of name calling (which I was not a part of)happens ùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùi dont think I will encourage anyone else ever to join. The trade was okay but it did put you in a little bit of a bind,as far as the name calling goes that doesn't happen all the time here. It will all work out Bob if you need to know any thing about the score settings or anything else about the league I'd be glad to help you out buddy.
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Post by craig440 on Sept 19, 2020 16:05:08 GMT -5
haha just talked to Eddie, he's fine. He will fix his team tonight or tomorrow. He said "hey Steeler just tried to call me also, whats up?"
haha
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Post by Divebitch on Sept 19, 2020 19:08:04 GMT -5
I will deal with this after the Nascar race. Who knew this NYC bitch was a redneck at heart. bob554, you've done absolutely nothing wrong. We've all made mistakes, and still do, even with more experience than you. I didn't examine the trade as closely as I could have. Voting against a trade is a very tricky thing, last resort. And it would never happen anyway with 8 (?) needed to veto. Less activity here than the league page once the season starts to even discuss anything. And i if you thought it was good, who are we to say otherwise? But if it was a mistake not looking at your byes, we just feel bad about it. Anyway, we are all glad that you and now 13thronin are here. And Craig is correct, this level of not just name-calling, but antagonism has never come close to this in 10 years. We will fix it soon. What up with the "ùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùi"?
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Post by Divebitch on Sept 19, 2020 19:35:11 GMT -5
"this league belongs to all OG's". Wrong this league belongs to the 10 members we have currently. That was me, and I apologize for not wording it better. What I meant by that, Jeffrey, was that it was not just yours. It is all of ours - at least the OGs if not everyone's. I should've omitted that part. It's not just up to you alone to make decisions about how many we can draft. If the league is all of ours, much less OGs, then how can you just declare a stingy 6 max on RBs with no discussion? People need to draft better. These are not the simplest of leagues, takes a little homework. But it's not been an issue for 10 years. Good RBs always been tight. Review the settings and drafts accordingly. I'd entertain a 7 max, any more input? Crickets probably.
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Post by 13thronin on Sept 19, 2020 20:23:16 GMT -5
Stingy? Lol that logic make no sense. Also you just went back on what you said about this OG stuff. 6 helps everyone like I said Bev, not the few.
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Post by Divebitch on Sept 19, 2020 20:37:32 GMT -5
Stingy? Lol that logic make no sense. Also you just went back on what you said about this OG stuff. 6 helps everyone like I said Bev, not the few. What logic? Also don't get how I went back on anything I said, please explain. 6 is a low to medium amount to roster. If everyone understands the settings, all have the same opportunity to draft RBs or whoever. Just feel 6 is unreasonable. But at any rate, should be subject to a vote. Trust me, there are probably a couple here, who shall remain nameless lol, who feel there should be no limits whatsoever. TBH never been in a league with any limits. EDIT: Probably not a ton of leagues skewed towards RBs like some of these w/the .5 rush attempt. Gotta look at previous years pts.
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Post by 13thronin on Sept 19, 2020 23:12:41 GMT -5
6 backs has you with 2 main men, two flex if choose not just that but 2 more left to plug and play. Someone gets hurt, then many are left to get what's needed for any and everyone. That's extremely fair, simple and logical. Yet again I READ the settings but that's ( no matter what is said) not being understood. This will simply be my last post. Nothing gets heard. Also will be my final and only season. I don't know how this is a hard concept to see. .5 Jeff's son does the same. Not a single, a single team has rb issues because of this method. Not a thing is wrong with the points system. It's hoarding, pure and simple. I see that is not understood. If this makes anyone OG I'm happy to leave now. But like I said I'm done with this thread because it feels like speaking to a brick wall.
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Post by packdog on Sept 19, 2020 23:42:32 GMT -5
holy smokes. what happened. lol. i don't pay attention to as much as i should. outside the settings that is. i didn't bat an eye at trade. as for rb limits i ain't against them but the standard is 8 in most leagues i am in. in a league where we can start up to 4 rbs 6 seems thins especially if ya have to hold one or two or three with injuries. i am guilty of hoarding them but i have been doing that for years in my leagues with you guys cause of the settings. in the end these leagues are free and fun as they are different. i'll be fine with anything decided but for limits i recommend 8
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Post by packdog on Sept 20, 2020 0:38:55 GMT -5
i will say i am not a fan of other people dictating how i draft. you want rbs you can draft them. apparently me and dirty were the subject of the complaint and called a name just cause we drafted the way we did (just looked through league comments). that's kinda childish. me and dirty always have drafted that way. we know the settings and rules as does everyone else. anyone coulda done the same. i don't see why it was a problem outside of sour grapes. the trade offer to me was not in my intertest so, ya, i rejected. maybe i wasn't interested and/or when i get lowballed off the bat i don't counter. i also don't complain about it. i move on. it's my team and i manage it how i want. every team can do the same
i have no problems with future changes. i play here cause i like you guys and the settings offer something different (if a bit crazy). but having a tirade post-draft instead of discussing potential changes calmly to improve the league doesn't sit well with me. same with getting mad cause i don't want to trade to help another team but hurt my own. over the years we enacted changes everybody was fine with after calmly talking about it. like all the keeper changes. setting a positional limit is a good thing to discuss but in an adult-like fashion. this league has been going for years with me and years before i joined. if one person is gonna dictate what i can and can't do and throw a hissy fit if i don't conform to his preference for MY team idk if i can stay
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Post by Divebitch on Sept 20, 2020 5:53:19 GMT -5
i will say i am not a fan of other people dictating how i draft. you want rbs you can draft them. apparently me and dirty were the subject of the complaint and called a name just cause we drafted the way we did (just looked through league comments). that's kinda childish. me and dirty always have drafted that way. we know the settings and rules as does everyone else. anyone coulda done the same. i don't see why it was a problem outside of sour grapes. the trade offer to me was not in my intertest so, ya, i rejected. maybe i wasn't interested and/or when i get lowballed off the bat i don't counter. i also don't complain about it. i move on. it's my team and i manage it how i want. every team can do the same i have no problems with future changes. i play here cause i like you guys and the settings offer something different (if a bit crazy). but having a tirade post-draft instead of discussing potential changes calmly to improve the league doesn't sit well with me. same with getting mad cause i don't want to trade to help another team but hurt my own. over the years we enacted changes everybody was fine with after calmly talking about it. like all the keeper changes. setting a positional limit is a good thing to discuss but in an adult-like fashion. this league has been going for years with me and years before i joined. if one person is gonna dictate what i can and can't do and throw a hissy fit if i don't conform to his preference for MY team idk if i can stay Thank you, a voice of reason. I'm just trying to keep the peace over here, by suggesting a compromise of 7 or at least a vote or discussion. Instead, think I'm being called the brick wall. I'll say this, yes 9 RB is hoarding, but the draft is a fair process, and agreed, anyone could've done it. But ya know what? If we all tried it, no way you & Dirtybird would've ended up with 9 unless the last 2 or 3 were total trash. Anyway, I didn't even notice all your RBs, no problem with it even now, just drafted the best team I could. The settings here, and I do like them, lend themselves to a bit of hoarding even if most of us do not. I'm no FF guru, but experience has taught me it all shakes out in the wash - 6 of 1 half dozen of the other, provided you have a decent grasp of ADP according to your settings. I kept 2 RB, and drafted only 3 more. L Bell gets hurt off the bat. Never feels fair, but it is. hehe If I'd traded away K Hunt (who got me 29 pts Thurs), I'd be in dire straits heading into week 2, cuz Tarik Cohen doesn't seem to be startable. So yeah, the offer was fair on paper, but not good for my team. WRs are a dime a dozen, and pop up and break out all the time. Anyway and luckily, drafting 10th, I had #1 WW priority, the only way I could've picked up RB Malcolm Brown (Rams) this week, we'll see how that pans out. So we all have our strategies, some of them regrettable, like me not drafting enough RBs if anyone else gets hurt. Not rostering a kicker or even DEF (which I'd never do as they can get you a lot more pts, again, depends on settings) is another strategy which I might employ in the future if already winning the week. May be unconventional, but could be brilliant. Mike, if you decide to check in once more, you sound like a great guy, with a lot of good input. And I definitely hear ya, think we all do. Just a matter of difference of opinion. I'm middle of the road here, same as politically. lol We all wanna get along, and some are just more amenable than others as to how they want everything to be. Like Packdog, I'm here cuz of great people. Would never throw 10 years of camaraderie and friendship out the window for a rule dispute. There could be a lesson to be learned for the future, or we can discuss and maybe make settings adjustments. Or you might just think some of us are just assholes and you're done. IDK what more to say. I've tried.
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Post by Steelers 1954 on Sept 20, 2020 8:58:59 GMT -5
The settings here are the same as my league and slightly less in Dive's NFL Big Cheesy and the wealth of RB's in both of those league are spread around rather equally. It's not just up to you alone to make decisions about how many we can draft. You're right but what am I supposed to do when I ask for input and get little to no response from the rest of the members of this league. I'm not a mind reader and I'm not going to hound people to give their thoughts on what they'd like to have. Maybe I jumped the gun somewhat by posting the 6 RB limit for next year. Now that I've had some time to think about it one way would be to change 1 of the flex spots to WR/TE that way there would only be 3 RB slots max instead of 4 as it is now. Now if that was the case there maybe no need to have a limit on the RB's. I am open to hear all suggestions but if no suggestions are made then I will have to set it up as best & as fair as I can.
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