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Post by Steelers 1954 on Aug 18, 2019 16:09:41 GMT -5
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Post by craig440 on Aug 18, 2019 16:22:07 GMT -5
How many keepers are we having?
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Post by danb6177 on Aug 18, 2019 18:16:41 GMT -5
So we could not keep our best two players?
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Post by craig440 on Aug 18, 2019 19:10:21 GMT -5
I don't think the problem was keeping good players in round one and two. I think the problem was trading players that had a high draft number and never got back in the pool. I forget the players but I know some had a seven round or higher and were first round talent after a year or so.
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Post by Steelers 1954 on Aug 18, 2019 19:20:17 GMT -5
How many keepers are we having? We will be having 3 keepers.
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Post by Steelers 1954 on Aug 18, 2019 19:26:36 GMT -5
I think the problem was trading players that had a high draft number and never got back in the pool. I forget the players but I know some had a seven round or higher and were first round talent after a year or so. Some of that should be fixed by having the values for FA/WW players QB,RB will be 4th round, WR will be a 5th round and TE's will be a 6th round. If you draft someone at say 12th round and then he explodes you can keep him at that tag but once he needs to be dropped or traded then his value will be adjusted.
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Post by craig440 on Aug 18, 2019 19:29:59 GMT -5
I think the problem was trading players that had a high draft number and never got back in the pool. I forget the players but I know some had a seven round or higher and were first round talent after a year or so. Some of that should be fixed by having the values for FA/WW players QB,RB will be 4th round, WR will be a 5th round and TE's will be a 6th round. If you draft someone at say 12th round and then he explodes you can keep him at that tag but once he needs to be dropped or traded then his value will be adjusted. So lets say I draft player x in tenth round and he becomes a star, I can keep him next year at 10. Then I have to trade or drop him. If I trade him at the end of the year, how will his value be adjusted?
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Post by danb6177 on Aug 18, 2019 19:30:05 GMT -5
I think the problem was trading players that had a high draft number and never got back in the pool. I forget the players but I know some had a seven round or higher and were first round talent after a year or so. Some of that should be fixed by having the values for FA/WW players QB,RB will be 4th round, WR will be a 5th round and TE's will be a 6th round. If you draft someone at say 12th round and then he explodes you can keep him at that tag but once he needs to be dropped or traded then his value will be adjusted. I like this idea. But not keeping my best two players doesnt make sense. an you elaborate on that please
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Post by Steelers 1954 on Aug 18, 2019 19:36:37 GMT -5
But not keeping my best two players doesnt make sense. an you elaborate on that please At this point nothing is written in stone that's why I started this discussion, that's why I asked for your input so we can come up with some ideas so that we don't have the same problems we had at the CTM league.
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Post by Steelers 1954 on Aug 18, 2019 19:40:44 GMT -5
Some of that should be fixed by having the values for FA/WW players QB,RB will be 4th round, WR will be a 5th round and TE's will be a 6th round. If you draft someone at say 12th round and then he explodes you can keep him at that tag but once he needs to be dropped or traded then his value will be adjusted. So lets say I draft player x in tenth round and he becomes a star, I can keep him next year at 10. Then I have to trade or drop him. If I trade him at the end of the year, how will his value be adjusted? [/i][/b] We could adjust his value by using the Average Draft Position the following year for that or any other player that can't be kept and needs his value adjusted.
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Post by craig440 on Aug 18, 2019 19:42:31 GMT -5
But not keeping my best two players doesnt make sense. an you elaborate on that please At this point nothing is written in stone that's why I started this discussion, that's why I asked for your input so we can come up with some ideas so that we don't have the same problems we had at the CTM league. We know, that is why I am trying to contribute.
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Post by danb6177 on Aug 18, 2019 19:45:30 GMT -5
But not keeping my best two players doesnt make sense. an you elaborate on that please At this point nothing is written in stone that's why I started this discussion, that's why I asked for your input so we can come up with some ideas so that we don't have the same problems we had at the CTM league. Yeah cool, I just hadnt heard that one yet
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Post by craig440 on Aug 18, 2019 19:45:36 GMT -5
So lets say I draft player x in tenth round and he becomes a star, I can keep him next year at 10. Then I have to trade or drop him. If I trade him at the end of the year, how will his value be adjusted? [/i][/b] We could adjust his value by using the Average Draft Position the following year for that or any other player that can't be kept and needs his value adjusted.[/quote] I like that. I think the problem was we ended up with guys way out of order. Created an imbalance. I like the idea though if I draft player x in the tenth and he becomes a star, I can keep him next year at ten. To me that is what makes keepers fun. Finding the gem and keeping them one year. After that it should be adjusted.
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Post by Steelers 1954 on Aug 18, 2019 19:49:42 GMT -5
At this point nothing is written in stone that's why I started this discussion, that's why I asked for your input so we can come up with some ideas so that we don't have the same problems we had at the CTM league. Yeah cool, I just hadnt heard that one yet In my son's league we have our keepers set-up so that no players drafted in the 1st two rounds can be kept. Which assures you will have more top talent to pick from the following year.
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Post by Steelers 1954 on Aug 18, 2019 19:59:04 GMT -5
[/i][/b] We could adjust his value by using the Average Draft Position the following year for that or any other player that can't be kept and needs his value adjusted.[/quote] I like that. I think the problem was we ended up with guys way out of order. Created an imbalance. I like the idea though if I draft player x in the tenth and he becomes a star, I can keep him next year at ten. To me that is what makes keepers fun. Finding the gem and keeping them one year. After that it should be adjusted. [/quote] The one who finds the gem should reap the rewards not whoever gets him next if you get lucky and make a trade for him. Hopefully by adjusting the values everyone will have a fair shot at players instead of just a few and we can avoid some of the problems we had at the CTM league.
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Post by danb6177 on Aug 18, 2019 20:04:03 GMT -5
Yeah cool, I just hadnt heard that one yet In my son's league we have our keepers set-up so that no players drafted in the 1st two rounds can be kept. Which assures you will have more top talent to pick from the following year. I personally like 3 keepers instead of 4. That puts 10 players back in the pool. Other than that I think it should be ok. I like the tags on free agents the way you said above. The biggest issue to me is trading free agents. I dont think people in the "red" should be trade eligible. If you keep em for 2 years hes back to the pool
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Post by Steelers 1954 on Aug 18, 2019 20:08:37 GMT -5
The biggest issue to me is trading free agents. I dont think people in the "red" should be trade eligible. If you keep em for 2 years hes back to the pool Makes a lot of sense and a good idea. That would also put talent back into the pool.
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Post by craig440 on Aug 18, 2019 20:11:01 GMT -5
The biggest issue to me is trading free agents. I dont think people in the "red" should be trade eligible. If you keep em for 2 years hes back to the pool Makes a lot of sense and a good idea. That would also put talent back into the pool. I agree also. Like I have said, it seems that was what caused the problem was star players with a tenth round designation forever.
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Post by Jeppers on Aug 19, 2019 13:48:44 GMT -5
Seems like y'all makin sense. haha
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Post by Divebitch on Aug 31, 2019 18:27:08 GMT -5
I don't think the problem was keeping good players in round one and two. I think the problem was trading players that had a high draft number and never got back in the pool. I forget the players but I know some had a seven round or higher and were first round talent after a year or so. Great point. I'll address below. Some of that should be fixed by having the values for FA/WW players QB,RB will be 4th round, WR will be a 5th round and TE's will be a 6th round. If you draft someone at say 12th round and then he explodes you can keep him at that tag but once he needs to be dropped or traded then his value will be adjusted. Agree in principle, but 4th, 5th, and 6th are WAY too low IMO, especially in a 10-person league. Ten was the reason we made it 7th, 8th, and 9th after the Graveyard League, which was 12 person, and had the values at 5th, 6th, and 7th. Compromise solution below. Makes a lot of sense and a good idea. That would also put talent back into the pool. I agree also. Like I have said, it seems that was what caused the problem was star players with a tenth round designation forever. Tenth? There were keepers going 11th (Russell Wilson), and 12th (?) LeVeon Bell, my Fitz was a 12, got him from Jeppers (he wouldn't give up Jordy Nelson) and Fitz finished 5th. lol. So my proposal, here we go.... You can keep 1st and 2nd round. It's only a slight advantage at best for the keeper. Like I draft a top 3 RB and pick late, so it's a small perk. It's not the same as trading Bell as a keeper for 12th, that's gotta stop. I love the idea that you keep a pick at the same round for 2 full seasons (i.e. you pick him off the WW or draft him in a late round, you have him for 2 & 1/2 yrs). After that, we can go one of 2 ways: 1) you cannot trade that player, back in the pool 2) your trade pick value will be the lesser of these: a) the round you drafted him in (from rounds 1 thru 8 in this example), or b) the values assigned (i.e. QBs and RBs 6, WRs 7, and TE 8) if the player was actually drafted later. Those numbers are downgraded from the present 7, 8, and 9. If you have something like 4th, 5th, and 6th cuz it defeats the whole purpose of a keeper league, cuz so many of those players are not being drafted before those rounds now. IOW, there's rarely gonna be any real benefit to keep anyone. There should be some benefit to trading a guy picked up off the WW that are not gonna be total stars, but might otherwise be drafted in mid rounds (6 - 8th, not 4th or 5th). Just my thoughts on a compromise or happy median from CTM.
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