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Post by Steelers 1954 on Sept 27, 2023 18:50:04 GMT -5
1st it was in the Graveyard about the D/ST & K's and then it was on to the NFFL League.
To think this all started over a phone of which I hung up on Eddie cause he just would'nt stop.
Then the rant started not 1 post or 2 post but 6 posts all about the D/ST & K's. If your man enough to post it then take ownership of it by not deleting all the post only to make an amended post saying how sorry you were for the rant, not buying the bullshit.
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Post by Steelers 1954 on Sept 27, 2023 19:01:40 GMT -5
Edward says: Yeah, right. Go kickers and Defense. At least Atlanta Dirty Birds ain't here no more to complain about this fucking retarded bullshit.
For the Record you're wrong ADB was never in the NFFL League.
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Post by Steelers 1954 on Sept 27, 2023 19:11:11 GMT -5
Edward says: When you can't win by regular rules, just change them because you're a sore loser trying to get an advantage on some bull fucking shit. No Lacy, I ain't talking to you. All integrity in this and Graveyard league are all gone to sore fucking losers who changed the rules a few years ago because Atlanta Dirty Bird decided he didn't want to start or draft a kicker or defense a few times and still kept winning regardless.
Boy you're really grasping at straws on this one. Once again You're Wrong the only sore loser is you,can't have your way so you throw a hissy fit. Wrong yet again the rules were not changed because of ADB. Every position in both leagues have gotten an upgrade at some point in scoring with the D/ST & K's being the last ones.I've told you why it was done but you have your mind made up and are incapable of listening to any reason.
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Post by Steelers 1954 on Sept 27, 2023 19:13:54 GMT -5
Edward says: Now this is the aftermath. A league where kickers and defenses, who are mostly streaming options for most on weekly basis, now determine more than players drafted to win games. This is a joke.
Wrong there have been top kickers & defenses left on the WW/FA list with nobody taking them..
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Post by Steelers 1954 on Sept 27, 2023 19:16:01 GMT -5
Edward says: Can't tell you how bad I hate it. Did I mention I hate it? Oh wait, yeah...I fucking hate it.
Yeah I'm not deaf blind or dumb I get it that you hate it.
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Post by Steelers 1954 on Sept 27, 2023 19:20:08 GMT -5
Edward says: For anyone here that may not know, I said same thing in other league when I was the beneficiary of a 66pt DAL def and bogus I thought it was. Same for almost all top 10 kickers now scoring as much as they are.
Yeah we know what you said and that you deleted all your rants only to post something much milder so you wouldn't look bad to the rest of the league..
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Post by Steelers 1954 on Sept 27, 2023 19:25:59 GMT -5
Edward says: Who here wants settings changed ASAP?
You know all to well that once the season has started the settings can not be changed until after the seasson is over.
As Jack said so well you want the TRUTH you CAN'T handle the TRUTH and that's the bottom line so says Stone Cold!
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Post by Steelers 1954 on Sept 27, 2023 21:56:45 GMT -5
Almost forgot there was also the change in his team name to FU then later changed to what it is now Deadly Defenses.
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Post by eddieforever on Sept 29, 2023 2:23:06 GMT -5
Whatchya want? Seems like a fight. lol. I amended what I said cause I realized I overreacted, and yes, threw a fit. Feels like I made a good point though, regardless. Figured we'd all been friends too long and decided to take it down and amend. However, since you reposted it here, I will say that I stand by most of what I said. Since you did repost though, and had so much to say... I originally joined these leagues with you all when I first started playing FF about 12/13yrs ago because I wanted to play against active people that were good at this, who I thought were the best; so I could gage my own skills of football knowledge and drafting my own team against others. I just had a combination of Kicker/DST score 75pts against me in the same league(NFFL) where you only scored a total of half that(150) with your entire starting roster same week. Same like when I scored a combination of 75pts between K/DST combo against Beverly in week 1 of the GY (at which point I said was absurd). This is why I no longer feel the best man/woman wins on pure skill and knowledge of the game alone in drafting skills, compared to those lucky enough to stream the right kicker/dst combo on any given week. Say what you will, but I think that's a bullshit slap in the face to someone like me, who unfortunately takes these non-money leagues too seriously. I'm not taking end results here or there too serious anymore because of it, even if likely to still win at least one/both I'm in. - ADB wins it all after sitting a Kicker/DST a few times several seasons - You bitched vehemently to me personally and league wide about ADB winning using these(legal)tactics - Kicker/DST values rise above normal compared to any other league following seasons - You deny fact has anything to do with ADB - You tell me I'm the problem for complaining - You complained about Packdog hording Rb's after he started dominating multiple leagues using your own settings - You contemplated changing settings so Packdog couldn't draft as many Rb's as he wanted - I told you not to unfairly change rules regarding draft but to maybe even-out with 3wr's vs 2rb's instead (which you did but still complaining) I didn't even like a trade you made in NFFL to get James Cook from your son in the graveyard league (which I told you I voted against), but zero chance of anyone else standing up because there's no money in the game, and people won't ever go against the grain... Your WR McLaurin for your sons WR George Pickens and your TE Freiermuth for your sons starting RB James Cook of high powered BUF offense. That's the exact breakdown of players in that trade, spin however you want. Not good, however nobody in our leagues I'm in with you all ever complains about anything, besides me, and maybe once ADB (who I didn't really personally like). When I told you about that, being a bogus trade, and how I voted against it, you cursed me and wanted sympathy from me because you had no Rb's. I told you draft better. Like maybe don't draft two TE's & two Qb's and still expect sympathy when you have no depth at other positions and getting mad and blaming others for drafting better and wondering why they finish better than you regularly and then change the rules to adjust for your own incompetence. I was willing to let it go, but here we are. You say you don't buy my bullshit? Haha. Funny stuff. I don't buy yours either. BTW- I don't bullshit. I leave that up to you, because you're full of it enough for the bunch of us combined.
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Post by Jeppers on Sept 29, 2023 12:36:55 GMT -5
Just sitting here with my back hurting with sciatica reading all this nonsense. LOL. I lost some 30 plus year old friendships over FF. Yes I did.
I no longer play in my original 1989 FF league because of trivial disagreements. Although we did pay to play because of the prizes at the end of each year....Fess were 40 bucks a year. (Two trips to McDonalds)
I dominated most years playing in that league with 12 championships over 30 years. The next closest to me was 4 championships.
At least we did make it 30 years. That was a milestone.
But I'd give them all back to still have those friendships. What I have learned over the years playing in numerous football,baseball,nascar and yes even basketball leagues is that it really dont mean a hill of beans if you win or lose.
Dont get me wrong....its been fun. Akin to playing golf,which is very addicting. Very competitive.
I no longer play golf and Im now down to two FF leagues and One baseball league each year.
I have bigger fish to fry nowadays. Me an the wifey trying to get to retirement before our health deteriorates and getting this house paid off in 4 more years which we just bought 3 years ago. Working at a job I hate that stresses me out continuously.
I so look forward to retiring and just telling the world workforce to kiss my ass.
Guess what Im saying is I decided to keep playing in the best two FF leagues esp since one was a keeper. But life is so much better since I cut down the leagues. Cut out all social media in my life and cut out ALL news. Couldnt tell ya whats going on in the world because we dont care.
Priorities Priorities. IMHO this all just seems so silly.
One day I'll be sitting on my boat fishing on a Wednesday morning without a care in the world and thats what keeps me going.
When all is said and done my main goal in FF leagues these days is just to have fun. Dont care if I win or not.
But from my perspective....some people just dont have fun anymore. What is the point of playing?
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Post by packdog on Sept 29, 2023 22:28:37 GMT -5
i agree with jeppers. honestly why we still have divisions and head to head as standings tie breakers is more wack than crazy dst scoring to me personally. but whatever. i can chalk stuff up to eddie being eddie (which it seems he tried to do after the hoopla). or steelers just trying to chug along (i know you do a lot for these leagues). when i first met you guys i started as adversary and a lot of it was just bs talking in nfl forums because simple things thing like return yards scoring in leagues. i do not care about that stuff at all. eddie mentions no money being involved but as someone who plays 30-40 leagues every year with most being money i can tell you right now my most fun ones are free ones with you guys and my friends and family. and you guys are friends and family. the cash shit is sterile. basic settings and all. maybe more mainstream and traditional. but c'mon. and an eddie meltdown is basically tradition around these parts. crazy scoring is tradition as well. i love these fucking leagues and was super happy to add another in dive's yahoo big cheesy. just work past it fellas and keep it going. i can't believe i care about these leagues as much as i do considering how we started off. my only regret is people like hitch and others ain't here. but i love you guys and gals. shit is gonna happen from time to time but we can move past it like always is my hope anyway. oh and i'll still beat ya no matter return yard or dst or rb rush attempts or whatever. bring it fuckers (friends)
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Post by eddieforever on Sept 30, 2023 1:53:02 GMT -5
i agree with jeppers. honestly why we still have divisions and head to head as standings tie breakers is more wack than crazy dst scoring to me personally. but whatever. i can chalk stuff up to eddie being eddie (which it seems he tried to do after the hoopla). or steelers just trying to chug along (i know you do a lot for these leagues). when i first met you guys i started as adversary and a lot of it was just bs talking in nfl forums because simple things thing like return yards scoring in leagues. i do not care about that stuff at all. eddie mentions no money being involved but as someone who plays 30-40 leagues every year with most being money i can tell you right now my most fun ones are free ones with you guys and my friends and family. and you guys are friends and family. the cash shit is sterile. basic settings and all. maybe more mainstream and traditional. but c'mon. and an eddie meltdown is basically tradition around these parts. crazy scoring is tradition as well. i love these fucking leagues and was super happy to add another in dive's yahoo big cheesy. just work past it fellas and keep it going. i can't believe i care about these leagues as much as i do considering how we started off. my only regret is people like hitch and others ain't here. but i love you guys and gals. shit is gonna happen from time to time but we can move past it like always is my hope anyway. oh and i'll still beat ya no matter return yard or dst or rb rush attempts or whatever. bring it fuckers (friends) You're only around because I put you around. Don't forget that. Nobody besides myself was advocating for you to be in any leagues despite your best efforts. I liked your moxy. Reminded me, of, me, in a way. Nobody wanted me in any leagues at first either. I was the original outcast. I took you on in my CTM league despite people against it, and the rest is history. You've done real well, and proud to say that I brought you aboard when other chumps wanted nothing to do with you.
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Post by eddieforever on Sept 30, 2023 2:13:26 GMT -5
Just sitting here with my back hurting with sciatica reading all this nonsense. LOL. I lost some 30 plus year old friendships over FF. Yes I did. I no longer play in my original 1989 FF league because of trivial disagreements. Although we did pay to play because of the prizes at the end of each year....Fess were 40 bucks a year. (Two trips to McDonalds) I dominated most years playing in that league with 12 championships over 30 years. The next closest to me was 4 championships. At least we did make it 30 years. That was a milestone. But I'd give them all back to still have those friendships. What I have learned over the years playing in numerous football,baseball,nascar and yes even basketball leagues is that it really dont mean a hill of beans if you win or lose. Dont get me wrong....its been fun. Akin to playing golf,which is very addicting. Very competitive. I no longer play golf and Im now down to two FF leagues and One baseball league each year. I have bigger fish to fry nowadays. Me an the wifey trying to get to retirement before our health deteriorates and getting this house paid off in 4 more years which we just bought 3 years ago. Working at a job I hate that stresses me out continuously. I so look forward to retiring and just telling the world workforce to kiss my ass. Guess what Im saying is I decided to keep playing in the best two FF leagues esp since one was a keeper. But life is so much better since I cut down the leagues. Cut out all social media in my life and cut out ALL news. Couldnt tell ya whats going on in the world because we dont care. Priorities Priorities. IMHO this all just seems so silly. One day I'll be sitting on my boat fishing on a Wednesday morning without a care in the world and thats what keeps me going. When all is said and done my main goal in FF leagues these days is just to have fun. Dont care if I win or not. But from my perspective....some people just dont have fun anymore. What is the point of playing? You made a lot of good points. I still love Jeffrey despite my issues with this all, and still consider him a good friend. If he decides to not be my friend anymore, I don't think I could bear it. In all reality though, Jeffb, this song reminds me of you in a way...
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Post by Steelers 1954 on Sept 30, 2023 7:46:26 GMT -5
My NFFL league is in its 13th year an since I've taken over there has been little turn over in team managers an saying that I love the group of great people that have stayed with me through it all. I've let it be known that from time to time I was going to make changes to the score settings in order to keep it interesting an fun for all. Having a custom league with settings to match is one reason why I don't get involved in any site managed leagues but the biggest reason is because of all of you an the commitment an competition to be the best.
Eddie in all the time I was your Co-League Manager I always gave an ran ideas about what I thought would make your league great an did so in private messages with you letting you make the final call before any changes were made.
I wasn't looking to start a fight you did that when you called me before the 1st game was about to start on Sunday an started ranting about the D/ST & K settings. You would not stop even after I told you to stop multiple times an that is why I ended the phone call. So after I hung up you decide to take it to the league page calling me out thinking that would get me to change my mind, posting some of the same stuff you said over the phone an you think I have no reason to be pissed off. As the League Manager you didn't give me the same respect I gave you in your league.
Everyone has or is facing trying times in their lives from time to time an my way to escape from that even for a short period of time is with the NFL games each week an my fantsy football teams win or lose but I'm at the point that I feel even that is being taken away from me.
Friends talk to each other not at each other like you do a good bit of the time. We are not always going to agree on some things an that's fine it would be a dull world if we all thought the same on everything.
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Post by Divebitch on Sept 30, 2023 9:51:41 GMT -5
You're only around because I put you around. Don't forget that. Nobody besides myself was advocating for you to be in any leagues despite your best efforts. I liked your moxy. I was not in your CTM league for the first couple years, but I have trouble believing this. I for one never had a problem with Packdog, and a big fan of 'moxy', as long as you're not endlessly ragging on anyone in particular, ala Hitch. i agree with jeppers. honestly why we still have divisions and head to head as standings tie breakers is more wack than crazy dst scoring to me personally. but whatever. i can chalk stuff up to eddie being eddie (which it seems he tried to do after the hoopla). or steelers just trying to chug along (i know you do a lot for these leagues). when i first met you guys i started as adversary and a lot of it was just bs talking in nfl forums because simple things thing like return yards scoring in leagues. i do not care about that stuff at all. eddie mentions no money being involved but as someone who plays 30-40 leagues every year with most being money i can tell you right now my most fun ones are free ones with you guys and my friends and family. and you guys are friends and family. the cash shit is sterile. basic settings and all. maybe more mainstream and traditional. but c'mon. and an eddie meltdown is basically tradition around these parts. crazy scoring is tradition as well. i love these fucking leagues and was super happy to add another in dive's yahoo big cheesy. just work past it fellas and keep it going. i can't believe i care about these leagues as much as i do considering how we started off. my only regret is people like hitch and others ain't here. but i love you guys and gals. shit is gonna happen from time to time but we can move past it like always is my hope anyway. oh and i'll still beat ya no matter return yard or dst or rb rush attempts or whatever. bring it fuckers (friends) I've always been a vocal dissenter of H2H scoring. IDK if you remember Twiley (he and Dstep created our first GY league), but he claimed H2H is how NFL does it. My stance was we're not really playing other teams or care what our opponent is doing. Our strategy is to score the most points with who we have, period. Jeffrey has done a ton for all leagues I've ever been in with him. Always fair, and very sensible. FWIW, I like the challenge of having the ability to stream kickers and DSTs. It's called strategy. Yes, you have your f#$%&n draft. But does it ever end there?!? No, there's the WW for all your injured or 'done nothin' players, and guys like Achane, who explode - as well as Ks and DST, who you chose week to week based on their opponents. Could the DST be toned down a bit (NOT mid-season)? Perhaps. Was I mad Eddie got 66 pts out of a DST against me? Not at all. That is FF, and the way the ball bounces. Like Jeppers, it doesn't matter much in the scheme of things/life whether I win or lose. He did not say so specifically, but after all these years, I know he wants to win, as do I. We care about winning, and do our best, but it's not gonna crush my soul if I don't, as long as it's all fair - and it is, always been. I love all my 4 leagues, and very grateful for them. They are a fun divergence, and I value each and every member, some being around for 15 seasons in mine. So I can appreciate Jeppers sadness of having that all go away. For me, that would be far more crushing than losses in them. Welcome to the Yahoo BC. It's a pleasure to have you kick my/our ass everywhere. And seriously, you are the clearest voice of reason. I hope we can move past this BS too. Seems some people need a ton of drama in their lives, for whatever reason. I love the return yds, just adds another small element to the game. In my own leagues, I've changed it from 15 to 10 RY per pt due to the NFL changes on touchbacks. I no longer play in my original 1989 FF league because of trivial disagreements. Although we did pay to play because of the prizes at the end of each year....Fess were 40 bucks a year. (Two trips to McDonalds) I dominated most years playing in that league with 12 championships over 30 years. The next closest to me was 4 championships. At least we did make it 30 years. That was a milestone. But I'd give them all back to still have those friendships. What I have learned over the years playing in numerous football,baseball,nascar and yes even basketball leagues is that it really dont mean a hill of beans if you win or lose.
Dont get me wrong....its been fun. Akin to playing golf,which is very addicting. Very competitive. I no longer play golf and Im now down to two FF leagues and One baseball league each year. I haven't been to McDonalds in over 30 years, but WTH are you eating for $20 a shot? You and the Mrs. I guess - or hope. haha But would agree to the bolded stuff. It should be fun, first and foremost, or what's the point? I don't do this to make money. My investments, sterile as can be, do that. Or lately notsomuch.
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Post by craig440 on Sept 30, 2023 15:33:25 GMT -5
I never had a problem with packdog as far as I can remember. I even use to laugh because Scuppers was funny. Using his girls account who is a Cowboy fan. He made me laugh way back then.
Never had a problem with you either, even when you were being an asshole Butch. But you just keep thinking, that's what you're good at. Loved antagonizing you.
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Post by eddieforever on Sept 30, 2023 21:11:33 GMT -5
I never had a problem with packdog as far as I can remember. I even use to laugh because Scuppers was funny. Using is girls account who is a Cowboy fan. He made me laugh way back then. Never had a problem with you either, even when you were being an asshole Butch. But you just keep thinking, that's what you're good at. Loved antagonizing you. Sure, nobody remembers shit. lol. Packdog wanted in our leagues and didn't get in until I created the CTM because he was in the business of critiquing you all, including myself. You all crack me the fuck up with your bullshit lies. You all didn't even accept me until I made myself "popular". Bunch of fuckin' phonies and frauds. Bootlicking bullshtittin' bunch of nobodies with zero personality or any true gumption. Do what your told type bitches. Fucking disgrace the whole bunch of you. Bow down to greatness, you subservient little bitches. Kiss my ass while you're down there too.
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Post by Divebitch on Oct 1, 2023 10:50:03 GMT -5
I never had a problem with packdog as far as I can remember. I even use to laugh because Scuppers was funny. Using is girls account who is a Cowboy fan. He made me laugh way back then. Never had a problem with you either, even when you were being an asshole Butch. But you just keep thinking, that's what you're good at. Loved antagonizing you. Sure, nobody remembers shit. lol. Packdog wanted in our leagues and didn't get in until I created the CTM because he was in the business of critiquing you all, including myself. You all crack me the fuck up with your bullshit lies. You all didn't even accept me until I made myself "popular". Bunch of fuckin' phonies and frauds. Bootlicking bullshtittin' bunch of nobodies with zero personality or any true gumption. Do what your told type bitches. Fucking disgrace the whole bunch of you. Bow down to greatness, you subservient little bitches. Kiss my ass while you're down there too. He called me a 'general', the highest ranking order. I never had a problem with that. hahaha I'm sure all you other drones have long gotten over it. lmao
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Post by eddieforever on Oct 1, 2023 18:00:30 GMT -5
Eddie in all the time I was your Co-League Manager I always gave an ran ideas about what I thought would make your league great an did so in private messages with you letting you make the final call before any changes were made. ALL TRUE POINTSYou were the absolute best over there at the CTM with me. I appreciate you for that. I should have kept my gripes about settings with you personally through messages or phone calls, which I did try doing before it spilled over. As the League Manager you didn't give me the same respect I gave you in your league. Perhaps there is some truth to that. Everyone has or is facing trying times in their lives from time to time an my way to escape from that even for a short period of time is with the NFL games each week an my fantsy football teams win or lose but I'm at the point that I feel even that is being taken away from me. I can't say I'm sorry, cause that would not be accepted as more than you basically calling me a bitch (in other words) for retracting any previous statements made. I don't want to ruin your fun. Maybe my time has run it's course here, and time for me to move on.
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Post by packdog on Oct 1, 2023 18:37:02 GMT -5
i honestly don't remember how i got into these leagues. eddie you are correct for inviting me i think but i believe craig and dive were all for it. craig and dive were certainly my most friendly of adversaries on those forums. i did always like your tavern, eddie and had fun in there.
i love we have a league named after all the names i gave everyone. the hive is what i called the nfl.com forum regulars. you guys irked me when i first went on there. felt like what nowadays is called gatekeeping. even then hitch and others tried to trick me in my knowledge and skill by leaving out things they played with like return yards scoring. my response at the time was get a different league if you use return yards. i felt like i had to push back on these noobs giving whack advice. i did calm down toward the end when dstep (one of my bigger targets) was going through some troubles and i decided to just let stuff go and be nicer.
it might have been a year or three after the forums on nfl.com vanished when i joined ctm. i can't even remember how i found you guys again. maybe just looking at old proboards. or was it the last year of the forums. maybe i disappeared for a few years cause banned and then lost interest. oh well glad i found you guys again and glad to play with all the weird settings
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